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	<title>Comments on: The Cuba Debate &#8211; Why the &#8220;middle&#8221; is not the middle</title>
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	<description>On the intersection of libraries, politics, and culture</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Kent</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-496220</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 00:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sharon McQueen wrote: &quot;There has been no post from [Robert Kent] since he was asked to disclose the full extent of his involvement with the Cuban “political dissidents” or “independent librarians...”  This gives the impression there is some covert reason for the lack of adequate response. Will Mr. Kent now give a clear and full response or an partial and/or evasive answer?&quot;

ANSWER: Please see: http://www.nb.no/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0502&amp;L=BIBLIOTEKNORGE&amp;P=4140</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon McQueen wrote: &#8220;There has been no post from [Robert Kent] since he was asked to disclose the full extent of his involvement with the Cuban “political dissidents” or “independent librarians&#8230;”  This gives the impression there is some covert reason for the lack of adequate response. Will Mr. Kent now give a clear and full response or an partial and/or evasive answer?&#8221;</p>
<p>ANSWER: Please see: <a href="http://www.nb.no/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0502&amp;L=BIBLIOTEKNORGE&amp;P=4140" rel="nofollow">http://www.nb.no/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0502&amp;L=BIBLIOTEKNORGE&amp;P=4140</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rory Litwin</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-495532</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory Litwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 13:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pinochet didn&#039;t just put a few people in jail. He terrorized his entire country, rounded up thousands and killed them in secret. If Castro were doing anything like that, then yes, I wouldn&#039;t have the same attitude. Cuba is not the kind of place that Chile was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinochet didn&#8217;t just put a few people in jail. He terrorized his entire country, rounded up thousands and killed them in secret. If Castro were doing anything like that, then yes, I wouldn&#8217;t have the same attitude. Cuba is not the kind of place that Chile was.</p>
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		<title>By: jsb</title>
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		<dc:creator>jsb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we were discussing Pinochet in the 70&#039;s and a hypothetical persecution of book lenders there does anyone doubt Rory would be screaming from every rooftop in support of the oppressed librarians?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we were discussing Pinochet in the 70&#8217;s and a hypothetical persecution of book lenders there does anyone doubt Rory would be screaming from every rooftop in support of the oppressed librarians?</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon McQueen</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-495503</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon McQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 12:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Kent posted to this thread on June 15, 16, 17, 18, &amp; 19. There has been no post from him since he was asked to disclose the full extent of his involvement with the Cuban “political dissidents” or “independent librarians” (depending on your point of view). Robert Kent has been asked to detail the full history and extent of his involvement. I have seen him dodge this question in the past. This gives the impression there is some covert reason for the lack of adequate response. Will Mr. Kent now give a clear and full response or an partial and/or evasive answer? Or will he simply disappear from the discussion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Kent posted to this thread on June 15, 16, 17, 18, &amp; 19. There has been no post from him since he was asked to disclose the full extent of his involvement with the Cuban “political dissidents” or “independent librarians” (depending on your point of view). Robert Kent has been asked to detail the full history and extent of his involvement. I have seen him dodge this question in the past. This gives the impression there is some covert reason for the lack of adequate response. Will Mr. Kent now give a clear and full response or an partial and/or evasive answer? Or will he simply disappear from the discussion?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Denney</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-492961</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Denney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have observed such behavior and have been on the receiving end of some personal attacks and distortions myself for taking a position similar to Robert Kent on this issue. Of course I am not excusing such behavior by either side of this debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have observed such behavior and have been on the receiving end of some personal attacks and distortions myself for taking a position similar to Robert Kent on this issue. Of course I am not excusing such behavior by either side of this debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon McQueen</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-491847</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon McQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have not observed anyone who opposes Robert Kent’s position behaving in the abhorrent ways, and employing the odious means, I have observed from Mr. Kent. But even if I had, this excuses the Mr. Kent’s behavior?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not observed anyone who opposes Robert Kent’s position behaving in the abhorrent ways, and employing the odious means, I have observed from Mr. Kent. But even if I had, this excuses the Mr. Kent’s behavior?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Denney</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-491043</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Denney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 05:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been plenty of propaganda, personal attacks and distortions from both sides of the Cuba-ALA debate, no party has a monopoly on such behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been plenty of propaganda, personal attacks and distortions from both sides of the Cuba-ALA debate, no party has a monopoly on such behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon McQueen</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-490548</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon McQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Robert Kent? Will you respond to the questions posed by Rory Litwin? You have been asked them before and have failed to respond. 

In a previous comment in this thread you said:

&quot;In sharp contrast, 76% of respondents to the only ALA membership poll on Cuba called for a condemnation of the repression in Cuba. When will the Council begin to listen to the evidence-based concerns of the membership?&quot;

Yes, Robert Kent does indeed engage in propaganda. For instance, this is not the first electronic communication in which the claim has been made of a majority response to an ALA poll. This is false. ALA issued no such poll. “American Libraries,” a magazine of the American Library Association, has from time to time conducted online polls. “American Libraries” states that these polls are not scientific. In other words, they do not carry reliability or validity. According to the “American Libraries&quot; web site: “These are unscientific polls that reflect the opinions of only those AL Direct readers who have chosen to participate.” And I’m not sure how many times an individual was allowed to “participate.” Yet, on at least several occasions, it has been implied that this is an official ALA poll of the association&#039;s membership. Robert Kent is well aware of the fact that this poll does not provide “evidence-based concerns of the membership.” It has been pointed out to him on several occasions.

Robert Kent consistently distorts facts. In my opinion this is because ALA did not say and do exactly as he wished.  He does not appear to value the democratic process, but seems instead to want to dictate what our association says and does. It isn’t about accepting what has been decided after reasonable periods of debate. The wishes of the few trump those of the many. At times it seems he will stop at nothing to achieve his ends. He has repeatedly spammed subject-specific discussion lists and those who have asked him to stop have been personally and publicly attacked – to the point of viciousness. He has publicly attacked ALA staff, councilors, and various members. Yes, he engages in propaganda – and slander and libel as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Robert Kent? Will you respond to the questions posed by Rory Litwin? You have been asked them before and have failed to respond. </p>
<p>In a previous comment in this thread you said:</p>
<p>&#8220;In sharp contrast, 76% of respondents to the only ALA membership poll on Cuba called for a condemnation of the repression in Cuba. When will the Council begin to listen to the evidence-based concerns of the membership?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Robert Kent does indeed engage in propaganda. For instance, this is not the first electronic communication in which the claim has been made of a majority response to an ALA poll. This is false. ALA issued no such poll. “American Libraries,” a magazine of the American Library Association, has from time to time conducted online polls. “American Libraries” states that these polls are not scientific. In other words, they do not carry reliability or validity. According to the “American Libraries&#8221; web site: “These are unscientific polls that reflect the opinions of only those AL Direct readers who have chosen to participate.” And I’m not sure how many times an individual was allowed to “participate.” Yet, on at least several occasions, it has been implied that this is an official ALA poll of the association&#8217;s membership. Robert Kent is well aware of the fact that this poll does not provide “evidence-based concerns of the membership.” It has been pointed out to him on several occasions.</p>
<p>Robert Kent consistently distorts facts. In my opinion this is because ALA did not say and do exactly as he wished.  He does not appear to value the democratic process, but seems instead to want to dictate what our association says and does. It isn’t about accepting what has been decided after reasonable periods of debate. The wishes of the few trump those of the many. At times it seems he will stop at nothing to achieve his ends. He has repeatedly spammed subject-specific discussion lists and those who have asked him to stop have been personally and publicly attacked – to the point of viciousness. He has publicly attacked ALA staff, councilors, and various members. Yes, he engages in propaganda – and slander and libel as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory Litwin</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-490235</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory Litwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kent,

I would be very interested to know the full extent of your involvement with the Cuban &quot;independent librarians&quot; themselves. It is striking the way you know details like this that aren&#039;t available to other Americans. How did you first learn about them? Were you involved in setting them up in the first place? I have heard (second hand) some rather scandalous reports from a Cuban agent about your activities there, not that I am ready to believe what I have heard. I am wondering if you would be willing to answer the question: what is your specific involvement with the &quot;independent librarians?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kent,</p>
<p>I would be very interested to know the full extent of your involvement with the Cuban &#8220;independent librarians&#8221; themselves. It is striking the way you know details like this that aren&#8217;t available to other Americans. How did you first learn about them? Were you involved in setting them up in the first place? I have heard (second hand) some rather scandalous reports from a Cuban agent about your activities there, not that I am ready to believe what I have heard. I am wondering if you would be willing to answer the question: what is your specific involvement with the &#8220;independent librarians?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Kent</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-490107</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Rory Litwin&#039;s claim that the independent lbrarians don&#039;t consider themselves librarians, this is another myth created by ALA-supplied &quot;interpreters&quot; during the IFLA visit to Cuba in 2001. And the independent librarians have their own training courses in librarianship, as well as regular programs in their libraries to offer classes, exhibits, film showings, children&#039;s programs and uncensored debates.

As to Michael Dowling&#039;s new opus, isn&#039;t it interesting that his account has no room for any mention of intellectual freedom or book burning in Cuba? Instead of worrying about U.S. government appropriations to support libraries and intellectual freedom , shouldn&#039;t he and the ALA be more concerned about Cuban appropriations to raid libraries, burn their collections, and sentence library workers to 20-year prison terms?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Rory Litwin&#8217;s claim that the independent lbrarians don&#8217;t consider themselves librarians, this is another myth created by ALA-supplied &#8220;interpreters&#8221; during the IFLA visit to Cuba in 2001. And the independent librarians have their own training courses in librarianship, as well as regular programs in their libraries to offer classes, exhibits, film showings, children&#8217;s programs and uncensored debates.</p>
<p>As to Michael Dowling&#8217;s new opus, isn&#8217;t it interesting that his account has no room for any mention of intellectual freedom or book burning in Cuba? Instead of worrying about U.S. government appropriations to support libraries and intellectual freedom , shouldn&#8217;t he and the ALA be more concerned about Cuban appropriations to raid libraries, burn their collections, and sentence library workers to 20-year prison terms?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark C. Rosenzweig</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-489546</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark C. Rosenzweig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any people interested in this issue will find in this report, now blogged on Library Juice, an excellent summary. Kudos to those in the ALA International Relations Office who worked on this Cuba Update. As Rory Litwin remarks, it will be a touchstone for any subsequent consideration by ALA of this matter It provides the basis for any objective consideration of the issues as they might be presented to ALA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any people interested in this issue will find in this report, now blogged on Library Juice, an excellent summary. Kudos to those in the ALA International Relations Office who worked on this Cuba Update. As Rory Litwin remarks, it will be a touchstone for any subsequent consideration by ALA of this matter It provides the basis for any objective consideration of the issues as they might be presented to ALA.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory Litwin</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-489188</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory Litwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point I want to direct readers of this thread to a &lt;a href=&quot;http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=434&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;follow-up post&lt;/a&gt;. It links to a very nice, detailed history of the “independent library” movement, Friends of Cuban Libraries, and ALA and IFLA’s activities in relation to them, just released by the ALA International Relations Committee. I think it is going to be an essential point of reference on this issue for years to come, and I applaud the IRC for putting it together and doing such a thorough job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point I want to direct readers of this thread to a <a href="http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=434" rel="nofollow">follow-up post</a>. It links to a very nice, detailed history of the “independent library” movement, Friends of Cuban Libraries, and ALA and IFLA’s activities in relation to them, just released by the ALA International Relations Committee. I think it is going to be an essential point of reference on this issue for years to come, and I applaud the IRC for putting it together and doing such a thorough job.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Denney</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-489037</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Denney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After visiting Cuba in 2001, Susanne Seidelin, director of IFLA&#039;s FAIFE, noted that Cuban regulations on public libraries “suggest that should a work hold opinions that contradict the cultural or educational policy of the country it is not likely to be selected and made publicly available. On this ground, Cuba&#039;s government politics provides a fixed framework for the selection of materials and thus the possible infliction of censorship in various degrees through selection policies. From what we learned, there is no doubt that a wide range of information or literature expressing current opinions is unavailable in the libraries of Cuba. Even when publications are held, their use may be restricted or monitored to the extent that ordinary people may be inhibited or even prevented from gaining access to them.” She said the independent libraries in Cuba provided an alternative source of needed information in Cuba, and that &quot;the argument that they are not &#039;professionals&#039; is largely irrelevant.&quot; See: http://www.ifla.org/faife/faife/cubareport2001.htm

Since the ALA has gone on record in the 2004 resolution as joining with the IFLA in expressing its deep concern over the 2003 crackdown in Cuba, and since the ALA also called for Cuba to allow a U.N. Special Rapporteur to visit the country to investigate this situation, the question now is how to properly follow up on this deep concern. Joining with Amnesty International and other human rights groups in calling for the release of the remaining prisoners would seem appropriate after five years of detention for these individuals who were sentenced in rigged trials. At the very least the ALA could act on its deep concern by inquiring why a UN Special Rapporteur has not yet been allowed to visit Cuba; it could also inquire about the health and well-being of the remaining prisoners and their families.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After visiting Cuba in 2001, Susanne Seidelin, director of IFLA&#8217;s FAIFE, noted that Cuban regulations on public libraries “suggest that should a work hold opinions that contradict the cultural or educational policy of the country it is not likely to be selected and made publicly available. On this ground, Cuba&#8217;s government politics provides a fixed framework for the selection of materials and thus the possible infliction of censorship in various degrees through selection policies. From what we learned, there is no doubt that a wide range of information or literature expressing current opinions is unavailable in the libraries of Cuba. Even when publications are held, their use may be restricted or monitored to the extent that ordinary people may be inhibited or even prevented from gaining access to them.” She said the independent libraries in Cuba provided an alternative source of needed information in Cuba, and that &#8220;the argument that they are not &#8216;professionals&#8217; is largely irrelevant.&#8221; See: <a href="http://www.ifla.org/faife/faife/cubareport2001.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifla.org/faife/faife/cubareport2001.htm</a></p>
<p>Since the ALA has gone on record in the 2004 resolution as joining with the IFLA in expressing its deep concern over the 2003 crackdown in Cuba, and since the ALA also called for Cuba to allow a U.N. Special Rapporteur to visit the country to investigate this situation, the question now is how to properly follow up on this deep concern. Joining with Amnesty International and other human rights groups in calling for the release of the remaining prisoners would seem appropriate after five years of detention for these individuals who were sentenced in rigged trials. At the very least the ALA could act on its deep concern by inquiring why a UN Special Rapporteur has not yet been allowed to visit Cuba; it could also inquire about the health and well-being of the remaining prisoners and their families.</p>
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		<title>By: soren faust</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-488994</link>
		<dc:creator>soren faust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;As in all propaganda, such claims are made not for their truth-value but for their usefulness in affecting opinion, a purely instrumental notion of truth which is based on the idea that if you say something enough times, loudly enough and with utter conviction, and get others to repeat it after a while, it makes it appear true.&lt;/em&gt;

Here, Mark Rosenzweig accurately defines the methodological history of all Western socialist movements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>As in all propaganda, such claims are made not for their truth-value but for their usefulness in affecting opinion, a purely instrumental notion of truth which is based on the idea that if you say something enough times, loudly enough and with utter conviction, and get others to repeat it after a while, it makes it appear true.</em></p>
<p>Here, Mark Rosenzweig accurately defines the methodological history of all Western socialist movements.</p>
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		<title>By: Rory Litwin</title>
		<link>http://libraryjuicepress.com/blog/?p=432&#038;cpage=1#comment-488827</link>
		<dc:creator>Rory Litwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent, to us, Acosta&#039;s statement is not startling because we know that he and Cubans in general have much more freedom of speech than anti-Cuban propaganda has led Americans to believe.

Regarding the dissidents&#039; non-status as librarians, their lack of degrees is only one small criterion. The more important facts are that they don&#039;t consider themselves librarians, have no training in library service whatsoever, and are not attempting to function as librarians or offer any kind of library service. The name &quot;librarian&quot; has been applied to them as a propaganda tactic to generate sympathy from Americans, especially American librarians, as you should know because it seems to have been your and Sanguinetty&#039;s idea in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent, to us, Acosta&#8217;s statement is not startling because we know that he and Cubans in general have much more freedom of speech than anti-Cuban propaganda has led Americans to believe.</p>
<p>Regarding the dissidents&#8217; non-status as librarians, their lack of degrees is only one small criterion. The more important facts are that they don&#8217;t consider themselves librarians, have no training in library service whatsoever, and are not attempting to function as librarians or offer any kind of library service. The name &#8220;librarian&#8221; has been applied to them as a propaganda tactic to generate sympathy from Americans, especially American librarians, as you should know because it seems to have been your and Sanguinetty&#8217;s idea in the first place.</p>
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